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Emesis · Apr 08, 2011, 09:22 AM // 09:22

Not alot, but bots heading out of Zos Shivros in many districts - N/Mo builds - farming faction?

salvatore888 · Apr 08, 2011, 09:27 AM // 09:27

Nope , they are farming the quest "The Halcyon Job"
for sup runes , mats and id'ed golds.
They were reduced by the ban hit , but not eliminated as it seems.

Icecream · Apr 08, 2011, 10:02 AM // 10:02

there's some new system that can't be detected yet.

HellScreamS · Apr 08, 2011, 10:43 AM // 10:43

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Originally Posted by Icecream

there's some new system that can't be detected yet.

and when it's gonna be detected, there's gonna be another ton of innocent players getting banned and having their accounts never restored. Just waitin on my 2nd one'

Bristlebane · Apr 08, 2011, 11:21 AM // 11:21

Do not despair for shortly before the next mass ban, Anet will offer a premium ban recovery protection in the ingame store for only €8.99. This will get you expedited customer support so you can get back your account faster.

Raven Wing · Apr 08, 2011, 12:09 PM // 12:09

I have no doubt that some innocent people risk getting an unjust ban. But it is also quite obvious that some of the genuine botters will come here and cry for sympathy and pester anet in an attempt to get off the hook. We have seen it already.

Alex/Stuiver · Apr 08, 2011, 02:16 PM // 14:16

Ontopic: There will always be bots and people who get banned without botting.
A-net should listen to the reports and ban them at the report. They shouldn't wait about 3 months untill they found out a way to do it themselves and yet then fail to determinate all the bots and even ban innocent players. A-net should start listening to their players and use their help.

Chocolate_Prayers · Apr 08, 2011, 02:25 PM // 14:25

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Originally Posted by Alex/Stuiver

Ontopic: There will always be bots and people who get banned without botting.
A-net should listen to the reports and ban them at the report. They shouldn't wait about 3 months untill they found out a way to do it themselves and yet then fail to determinate all the bots and even ban innocent players. A-net should start listening to their players and use their help.

Yes, there will always be people who get banned for no reason, but there are always people who do get banned for botting claiming they didn't bot. Anet has to check logs to confirm whether it's a legitimate case or not.
I presume their resources in this area are stretched rather thin, what with the development of guild wars 2 taking priority..
Anet staff do not really patrol the in-game environments looking for botters and rulebreakers, so chances are bots will remain until people actually bother to send in enough support tickets.

Alex/Stuiver · Apr 08, 2011, 02:39 PM // 14:39

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Originally Posted by Chocolate_Prayers

Hahaha.. Made me laugh

Yes, there will always be people who get banned for no reason, but there are always people who do get banned for botting claiming they didn't bot. Anet has to check logs to confirm whether it's a legitimate case or not.
I presume their resources in this area are stretched rather thin, what with the development of guild wars 2 taking priority..
Anet staff do not really patrol the in-game environments looking for botters and rulebreakers, so chances are bots will remain until people actually bother to send in enough support tickets.

I think A-net is yet going to start doing something when GW2 is out and that is as we all no a shit long time. So the economy of GW is pretty much going to get RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed up and when GW2 is released GW1 gets pretty useless since all the items are worth nothing.

lol at the red engine gored xD

Missing HB · Apr 08, 2011, 02:50 PM // 14:50

They do stuff in areas that are already farmed such as ToA or TopK. Why ? Because there are actually people who see them... I could quote plenty of places where there are people botting too or places with many bugs to abuse , however nothing was done for about a year now... Why? Because there is noone in those places , thus noone who can see bots and report....

An other fact already mentionned is that those bots aren't really damaging the game a lot... If you believe the game's economy is destroyed , you should just get some thoughts on consumables and shadow form....

Lithril Ashwalker · Apr 08, 2011, 03:11 PM // 15:11

apparently they use autoit which is a macro program meant for business sites....and a dll injector that automatically injects a dll library every time the program is run then when its closed deleted the library....already sent a few methods which they havent detected which are the possibility of how they are botting.

Fr0ck · Apr 08, 2011, 03:12 PM // 15:12

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Originally Posted by Alex/Stuiver

Ontopic: There will always be bots and people who get banned without botting.
A-net should listen to the reports and ban them at the report. They shouldn't wait about 3 months untill they found out a way to do it themselves and yet then fail to determinate all the bots and even ban innocent players. A-net should start listening to their players and use their help.

Yes what are you talking about. I've been fortunate enough to have 1 account banned, while I was legitly on a farm grind. Some people are just idiots and get the wrong idea.

Back to topic;

There will always be bots. End of Story.

Karate Jesus · Apr 08, 2011, 05:12 PM // 17:12

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Originally Posted by Icecream

there's some new system that can't be detected yet.

What? The N/Mo bots just use an auto-clicker bot to farm. Those have always been undetected. They just ban based on play patterns (if they ban at all).

This isn't a "new system". What you're thinking of was used to farm ToPK, but when Anet realized they couldn't detect the bots, then just changed the spawn.

cormac ap dunn · Apr 08, 2011, 06:40 PM // 18:40

Perhaps i should be more clear in my assertion of where my belief is so shallow

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Originally Posted by HellScreamS

and when it's gonna be detected, there's gonna be another ton of innocent players getting banned and having their accounts never restored. Just waitin on my 2nd one'

I've not seen many posts where there was no guilt where the innocents accounts have NOT been restored.

Jaime Del Cervantes · Apr 09, 2011, 05:34 AM // 05:34

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Originally Posted by Emesis

Not alot, but bots heading out of Zos Shivros in many districts - N/Mo builds - farming faction?

As a constant Jade Quarry player, I have seen groups of 2-3 bots that:

Follow each each
Run the same build
Usually are Mesmers and Necromancers

Ka Tet · Apr 09, 2011, 08:50 AM // 08:50

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

Perhaps i should be more clear in my assertion of where my belief is so shallow

I've not seen many posts where there was no guilt where the innocents accounts have NOT been restored.

That may have something to do with believing that people who say they're innocent are liars.
My guess would be that you've also never seen a witch who wasn't a witch.

HellScreamS · Apr 09, 2011, 10:41 AM // 10:41

What Anet does is wait for enough people to start botting, they give everybody a false sense of security by doing nothing, when enough people figure that out and go like "oh yea nobody's gettin banned, why not try it myself?" they decide it's a proper time to issue unjust bans to everything that SEEMS suspicious to them; that way people are just gonna have to buy more accounts and therefore they get more money out of it.

And when you ask them how on hella earth you got banned and what for they tell you they are 100% sure you did something wrong but can't tell you so as you won't figure out their methods of detection guessing of infractions.

Get over it, that's your gaming company. Expecting post to get deleted in less than 1 hour so enjoy.

TheGizzy · Apr 09, 2011, 11:45 AM // 11:45

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Originally Posted by HellScreamS

And when you ask them how on hella earth you got banned and what for they tell you they are 100% sure you did something wrong but can't tell you so as you won't figure out their methods of detection guessing of infractions.

There's no mystery about it... they're likely using repetitive pathing tracking. It's the foundation of a bot utilizing waypoints that works against it in the detection process. Detecting repetitive hits on the same waypoint for hours on end by the same toon isn't exactly rocket science.

Bot writers will claim that their bot is undetectable because it uses variances in its pathing... but the analyzer is still going to see that the same series of waypoints are being used, even if they're not being used in consecutive instances. They're also noting when the same waypoints are being hit across accounts... if 500 "people" all are farming the same area, and 490 of them all seem to hit the same series of 35 waypoints at some point in their sessions (say points 1,4,6,11,15,21 on one go; 2,5,6,22,26,34 on another go, etc.) it's an extremely good bet that those 490 are using bots. The other 10, conversely, are showing a much more diverse pathing.

Are real players sometimes going to be caught up in this? Occasionally... and even more commonly in an area where most mob movement is highly predictable (Snowball Dominance & ToPK, anyone?). But those instances are actually rare. People have a vested interest in claiming their innocence. Despite your assertion, companies do not have a vested interest in falsely banning players. For one thing, falsely banned players almost NEVER return to a developer or publisher... and they tend to take their friends with them.

Someone busted for botting who was in fact botting? They're almost certain to come back, ironically enough. If only because they're determined to "beat" the company.

Duration is part of the detection algorithm as well. Is a human player really going to be hitting the same 35 waypoints again and again through an 8+ hour gaming session 5-7 days a week? No. Greed gets botters busted. "I didn't get caught using this for an hour yesterday... I'll do two hours today..." and usage increases exponentially. That's tracked as well.

It's less about mouse clicks and key strikes than it is about pathing and duration.

I am in the camp that rarely believes someone has been falsely banned. I've spent too many years listening to "I didn't do anything" as I'm sitting there looking at irrefutable data that proves they did... data demonstrating a consistency in patterns no human being (beyond possibly an autistic savant) COULD replicate.

HellScreamS · Apr 09, 2011, 04:15 PM // 16:15

I can prove you wrong in 2 lines. Even they admitted they banned innocent people and unbanned some of em. Not all of them tho. Therefore...

Not to mention I already said i'm not looking for sympathy or whatever, I couldn't really care less as long as I know what I did and what I didn't. For me, NcSoft is being a **** company and dragged Anet down as well.

TheGizzy · Apr 09, 2011, 09:46 PM // 21:46

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Originally Posted by HellScreamS

I can prove you wrong in 2 lines.

Please elaborate - what point did I make that you are "proving wrong"?